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Mel Fischer    296
2 hours ago, shane page said:

I have some molds with that style of light and they are general foam and beco. How many manufacturers made the sleigh? Maybe there is a mark on that and I would think whoever bought the deer would have got it all at the same time like the picture in the add shows. The santa looks like it could be beco.

To my knowledge Beco did not use that style of light, both MSL and General Foam did.  All three manufacturers made the sleigh, we only have one and it does not have any markings on it so I do not know who made it I bought it as a Beco but their name is not on it so I do not know if it is.  Does anyone have a Beco Sleigh and if so does it have their name on it?

Mel

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Mel Fischer    296
On 8/8/2017 at 1:16 PM, The Blow Mold Expert said:

If that's true, that the beco deer say beco (which I think they do), then it is likely that rush has GF deer. The MSL ones were paper thin and the beco ones may have had markings, so normal thickness deer with no markings except for numbers are most Like General Foam. Just an educated guess there are too many variables to know for sure.

I went out to the building and got the MSL and General Foam reindeer out and took a picture of the two together the one on top is the General Foam, the bottom one the MSL.  The sizes are the same they just look different sized because of the angle the picture was taken.  There is no information on either one of them, if they were not in their original boxes I would not know who made them.  The plastic is definitely different the General Foam one is a solid white plastic like the Beco reindeer and the MSL one is somewhat translucent.  The plastic on both is about the same thickness which is similar to the thickness of the Beco ones, the MSL ones do not have a thin plastic.  The lighting setups look different and I do think the MSL deer originally were not lighted and a previous owner added the lights, the General Foam lights are original.  Our MSL ones have a number 990, the General Foam have a number C 991 and I do think that probably the reason for the number difference is the 990 is for the unlighted and the 991 is for the lighted ones.

Once again, I definitely think the reindeer being discussed in this thread were made by MSL because of the type of plastic, it looks identical to our MSL ones and not like our Beco or General Foam reindeer.  Also, the Beco and General Foam reindeer have a somewhat rough texture to the surface and the MSL ones are smooth.

Mel

MSL & General Foam Reindeer (1000).jpg

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Rush0212    43

WOW, Mel so nice of you to take them out for this thread, very appreciated !!

WOW  it sounds like I have MSL, and never even knew they existed before this thread!

I'm pretty sure the sleigh said nothing at all on it, Ill look again tomorrow. The sleigh is definetley on its its last leg, I wont display, or even know if I can keep it, its totally falling apart, and looks like it was repaired many times long ago.

But one thing I noticed is my Santa is slightly different than the pic, and maybe , the mold name was blurred out, or just looks like they slipped with the drill, drilling the back hole.

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Mel Fischer    296

I guess I need to go to the trailer and do some checking, we have three of those Santas and none of them have the hole for the light where the white knob is.  I have pictures of the front and back of all three and no hole there so now I have to check them out.  I agree with you that they slipped with the drill.

Mel

Beco Santa (Back) (#988) (500) (Text).jpg

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shane page    89

Mel, I agree that the plastic looks like the MSL deer you have in the picture, the white seems more transparent. 

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TED    98
On 8/15/2017 at 0:49 PM, The Blow Mold Expert said:

the cereal numbers.

Let's see now I believe 5 is Fruit Loops, 6 is Frosted Flakes, 7 is Rice Krispies...

TED

On 8/14/2017 at 9:14 PM, Rush0212 said:

WOW after reading the other threads about these, I don't know, I didn't even know about the company MSL until this thread! I would've guessed it was theirs only because Beco would've had their name on it, and I thought GF would always  had it on there, but who knows!!

Heres a couple of pics of the lights, i the deer, the Santa has the same exact bulb holder knob thingy:

Thanks for sharing the pictures.  I didn't know his (or her) head came off like that!  After looking at your pictures I think if it was me I would try to keep that original light kit and just replace the cord.  It should be real easy to take the light kit out by just unscrewing the white knob/nut thing.  I don't know if the wires are soldered on or if they attach to screws but if they attach to screws (like many lamp sockets) it would be real easy to replace the cord.  A 15 or 25 watt bulb would probably be plenty bright to light up the deer.  A smaller bulb (appliance bulb, ceiling fan bulb, sign bulb, etc.) would be good so that the heat is not so close to the plastic.

TED

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WLND-DAVID    90
3 hours ago, Big J Illinois said:

Isn't that serial?:P

No,   it is from the same universe the "reefs" came from last year      LOL

Don't you remember the large green wons wiff the many collared light bulbs........... :rolleyes:

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3 hours ago, TED said:

Let's see now I believe 5 is Fruit Loops, 6 is Frosted Flakes, 7 is Rice Krispies...

TED

Thanks for sharing the pictures.  I didn't know his (or her) head came off like that!  After looking at your pictures I think if it was me I would try to keep that original light kit and just replace the cord.  It should be real easy to take the light kit out by just unscrewing the white knob/nut thing.  I don't know if the wires are soldered on or if they attach to screws but if they attach to screws (like many lamp sockets) it would be real easy to replace the cord.  A 15 or 25 watt bulb would probably be plenty bright to light up the deer.  A smaller bulb (appliance bulb, ceiling fan bulb, sign bulb, etc.) would be good so that the heat is not so close to the plastic.

TED

Don't forget the Cocoa Puffs :lol:

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shane page    89
On 8/15/2017 at 4:28 PM, Mel Fischer said:

To my knowledge Beco did not use that style of light, both MSL and General Foam did.  All three manufacturers made the sleigh, we only have one and it does not have any markings on it so I do not know who made it I bought it as a Beco but their name is not on it so I do not know if it is.  Does anyone have a Beco Sleigh and if so does it have their name on it?

Mel

You are correct, I looked and the sockets and they are in General Foam molds, no Becos. Do you know when Beco,  MSL, and General Foam were in business.

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Rush0212    43
16 hours ago, TED said:

Thanks for sharing the pictures.  I didn't know his (or her) head came off like that!  After looking at your pictures I think if it was me I would try to keep that original light kit and just replace the cord.  It should be real easy to take the light kit out by just unscrewing the white knob/nut thing.  I don't know if the wires are soldered on or if they attach to screws but if they attach to screws (like many lamp sockets) it would be real easy to replace the cord.  A 15 or 25 watt bulb would probably be plenty bright to light up the deer.  A smaller bulb (appliance bulb, ceiling fan bulb, sign bulb, etc.) would be good so that the heat is not so close to the plastic.

Prolly Monday morning Ill finally have time to work on these guys, Ive been going strong lately trying to get caught up, set up time is coming WAY Quick!!!

At any rate I'm definetley not taking the sockets out, the wires are shot, so their going.

But what I plan to do first is using the same extra hole that the cord came out of, and trying a clip in C-7, since Its white, I really think it will be enough, i mean I have 2 sets of brown, that work fine with C-7's.

But if I feel its not enough, I have no problem what so ever rewiring the original sockets with new spt 2 wire.

 

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Mel Fischer    296
12 hours ago, shane page said:

You are correct, I looked and the sockets and they are in General Foam molds, no Becos. Do you know when Beco,  MSL, and General Foam were in business.

Beco apparently first made the holiday blow molds in 1962 and was sold to MSL in 1965.  MSL made the blow molds from 1965 until 1969.  General Foam bought the molds from MSL in 1970 and started making some of them that year.  General Foams catalogs say their first year was 1957.

Mel

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donna123    105

Ok, so what is the conclusion here?  I'm so curious as to who made these deer.  Will Rush know for sure or is it a process of elimination/comparison and the best educated guess?  I'm dying to know.  Do you guys have an opinion on the maker?  

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