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I was wondering if anyone can recommened a camcorder.

I would like one to video my display of course, but also my family, sporting events, vacations ect.

I only have a digital camera that takes 60sec movie clips and the quality stinks.

Plus need something that will hold more the 60sec at a time:D.

I have never owned a camcorder so am not to sure what to look for as far as zoom, how the media is stored and such.

Any help would be great thanks.:confused:

Danny

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Gary,

Do you have a good camcorder?

BTW, have you been down to see my show yet?

I haven't made it up to littleton yet, but maybe when I

do my drive-through of highlands ranch.

Scott

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@Danny. You can do some good research at bestbuy.com. Once you find what you want, just do an Internet search for good pricing.

@Scott. All I have done this year is the mega-tree. If I can, I will do more this weekend. Between work and the family, I have not had time to do anything else. I have a Hi-8 cam but will most likely get the wife a Canon HF11. The daughtor will be 4 months on Christmas Day, so that will make her very happy.

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+1 for camcorderinfo.com A very good resource.

You need to start with your realistic budget then try to pick from that group.

You should also research and determine what is the best media for you. I am a fan of DVI. You can also get hard drive, DVD, flash, etc. All with pros and cons.

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The camcorderinfo sight likes the hv30 (miniDV tapes based) and the hf100 (flash memory based) best ...

What does the hf100 have the the hf100 doesn't?

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The camcorderinfo sight likes the hv30 (miniDV tapes based) and the hf100 (flash memory based) best ...

What does the hf100 have the the hf100 doesn't?

One resource I have used to compare one camcorder to another is cnet.com. You can see video reviews of camcorders as well as read information about each camcorder in more detail. I recently did research on a camcorder and decided that the Canon family best suited my needs. I then went to canon.com and selected a couple of camcorders for side by side comparison. In your case, you can compare the HV30 to the HF100.

Another resource to review the various camcorders is B&H Photo Video (bhphotovideo.com). So my research pointed me to the Vixia HF100. No moving parts since it is SDHC flash based. It will record in 1080i HD as well as SD. It has a microphone and headphone input that few consumer models have. It will record at 24p as well as 30p and 60i. So I purchased it from B&H because of the good prices, free shipping, and no sales tax. A very reputable outfit in NYC. Mine arrived yesterday and I'll be outside before dawn tomorrow to shoot my display. Anxious to see the finished product.

Hope that helps.

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CNET can be OK but they are driven heavily by add revenue, so take there recommendations with a grain of salt. B&H is a great online retailer.

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One resource I have used to compare one camcorder to another is cnet.com. You can see video reviews of camcorders as well as read information about each camcorder in more detail. I recently did research on a camcorder and decided that the Canon family best suited my needs. I then went to canon.com and selected a couple of camcorders for side by side comparison. In your case, you can compare the HV30 to the HF100.

Another resource to review the various camcorders is B&H Photo Video (bhphotovideo.com). So my research pointed me to the Vixia HF100. No moving parts since it is SDHC flash based. It will record in 1080i HD as well as SD. It has a microphone and headphone input that few consumer models have. It will record at 24p as well as 30p and 60i. So I purchased it from B&H because of the good prices, free shipping, and no sales tax. A very reputable outfit in NYC. Mine arrived yesterday and I'll be outside before dawn tomorrow to shoot my display. Anxious to see the finished product.

Hope that helps.

Please post which settings you find works best for you. 60i, 30p, 24p, cinema mode, for example. I am considering the same camera.

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Wow. That is not an easy question.

60i stands for 60 frames per second, interlaced. In simple terms, each frame contains 2 different captures of 2 different moments in time. So you are really getting 30 frames per second X 2. The two captures (or fields) are interlaced into one image for 60 captures per second. You can get video jitters because of the interlacing.

24p stands for 24 frames per second, progressive. This means there is a true 24 single frames every second. This is the speed that movies are shot at. The problem with 24p is during periods of fast movement (sporting events and the like) fast motion may appear choppy.

30p is (you guessed it) 30 frames per second, progressive. This gives you a higher frame rate than 24p which will make faster action more smooth.

Cinema Mode is probably a mode to shot in 60i and manipulate the picture into looking like 24p.

Which is best? The problem with 30p is that it is a resolution that is not naively supported by Blu Ray so it must be converted before exporting to Blu Ray DVD. It is supported by HD-DVD.

If you plan on burning Blu-Ray, 24p. HD-DVD's, 30p. Standard def, any should work.

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I'm rather loyal to Canon for verious resons and I decided to go with Canon for a camcorder. I own a few EOS SRLs, not to mention several Canon lenses and I am very happy with Canon quality.

My choices are the HF100, HF10 and HF11. These models are basicly the same with each model having some little better features. The HF100 uses SDHC cards, the HF10 has 16GB internal and uses SDHC cards, and the HF11 has 32GB internal and also uses SDHC cards. Each model also has some enhanced features, but they are pretty much the same. It's just down to price at this point. The HF models use memory, the HG models use a hard drive, and the HV models use a mini DVD disc.

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My choices are the HF100, HF10 and HF11. These models are basicly the same with each model having some little better features.

I need a camcorder as well. So, Ive been doing a little research myself and it seems the 10 and the 100 are exactly the same with the exception that the 10 has internal flash memory (16gb) and the 100 only records to SD cards. The difference between the 10 and 11 is that the 11 can record at a rate of 24mbps per second while the 10 can only record 17mbps. Additionally, the 11 has increased internal flash memory (32gb). Here's my question (and I know nothing about camcorders at all): 1 - can the 10 record video (as opposed to stills) directly to the SD card, and 2) is there a real difference between recording at a rate of 24mbps per second as opposed to 17mbps if you are using it for home movies, recording a Christmas Light show, etc. ?

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I read somewhere the the HF100 + (2) 16GB SD cards is still $70-90 cheaper than the HF10 with internal 16GB and + (1) 16GB SD card. I know amazon had the HF100 for around $529 with free shipping. And then they had a 16GB high speed SD card and SD card reader for around $41.

Gary, if you DO get a good camera for your wife ... how much do I need to bribe you to come down and take some video of my show??

I used my neighbors 1-year old sony (w/ hard drive) on a tripod (non-HD) ... but it just didn't look good, IMHO. Maybe I needed to try it at dusk. I did use a Qucikcam 9000 at dusk and it looks acceptable, but nothing like it does in person. I did set the focus to manual and adjusted the other settings per member suggestions ... but it just didn't look good.

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I'd be happy to video your display Scott. Then I could steal all your good ideas. But with my small yard, and I do mean small, I cant really do much.

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That would be wonderful. Aren't we all stealing each others ideas anyways? What video editing program are you planning on using with the new Canon?

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I have a Hitachi Hybrid camcorder / DVD-HDD. It takes great video, records great sound, and has many features. You can record to disk or record to the hard drive. It also has a memory card slot so you can use it as a still camera. It also has the ability to edit and dub built right into the camera as well as software to do additional editing on your computer. I love it!!

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The difference between the 10 and 11 is that the 11 can record at a rate of 24mbps per second while the 10 can only record 17mbps. Additionally, the 11 has increased internal flash memory (32gb). Here's my question (and I know nothing about camcorders at all): 1 - can the 10 record video (as opposed to stills) directly to the SD card, and 2) is there a real difference between recording at a rate of 24mbps per second as opposed to 17mbps if you are using it for home movies, recording a Christmas Light show, etc. ?

When you say 10 and 11, do you mean the HF or HG 10? The HF represents those camcorders that save media on a flash drive. The HG records the video to a hard drive. Since I think you are comparing the 10 to the 11 and there is no HG11 on the Canon website, I'll address your questions related to the HF 10 and HF11. The HF10 and HF11 allows you to record to either the built-in flash memory or to the memory card. So the answer to question number one is yes.

When you refer to 24mbps and 17mbps, I believe those refer to the maximum transfer rate to the internal flash memory or memory card. The higher the definition of the finished product, the great the required mbps required. It has nothing to do with selecting between recording at 60i, 30p or 24p, which are choices. Instead it has to do with the ability of the memory to accept HD.

As an example, if you record at an LP SD (long play standard definition) rate, the transfer rate to the memory is 5mbps. However, if you want to record at 1080i with a full resolution of 1920X1080, you need memory that will accept a 17mbps transfer rate for the HF10 and 24mbps for the HG11.

One thing I did learn is that all SDHC (security digital high capacity) cards won't record HD. I initially bought a SanDisk 8GB SDHC card thinking that is what the camcorder would need. But I bought it before I had the camcorder in hand. When the camera came and I inserted the flash memory, it would only allow me to record at the XP+ level because it only accepted a maximum rate of 15mbps. SanDisk makes another card called a Video HD SDHC memory card that will transfer data at 17mbps. So I've ordered one from B&H. There are also different classes of SD cards. You will want at least a class 4 and probably a class 6 if you go for the HF11.

Personally I think you'll get great video from either model to record your Christmas display and other events. Just expect to pay more for the HF11 initially, and for memory cards if you want to capture full HD.

Confused enough? Hopefully this provided the answers to your questions.

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Model#, sample videos?

Camcorderinfo shows the canon as being leaps and bounds ahead of the others in terms of low-light capabilities ...

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[quote=taybrynn; I know amazon had the HF100 for around $529 with free shipping. And then they had a 16GB high speed SD card and SD card reader for around $41.

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