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    ...And people wonder why I like Holiday Creations brand of LED stringers (not necessarily those posting in this thread though). Yes they are priced higher than than the lights that the vendors sell here. They may be better or worse, I'm not sure, but what they are is consistent, like the McDonald's Big Mac. I always know exactly what I am buying...

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    ...And people wonder why I like Holiday Creations brand of LED stringers (not necessarily those posting in this thread though). Yes they are priced higher than than the lights that the vendors sell here. They may be better or worse, I'm not sure, but what they are is consistent, like the McDonald's Big Mac. I always know exactly what I am buying...

    Those of us who purchased pre buy lights in 08 thought we knew exactly what we were buying also. Turns out we did not. Almost like a bait and switch. ; )

    As far as this year goes. I did finally get all that I ordered from LED Holiday Lighting.

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    Those of us who purchased pre buy lights in 08 thought we knew exactly what we were buying also. Turns out we did not. Almost like a bait and switch. ; )

    As far as this year goes. I did finally get all that I ordered from LED Holiday Lighting.

    Yeah - I remember. It wasn't good for anyone. I really have no advice except to go Reinders or some other established retailer to minimize the risk.

    BTW: This I got everything from Travis as well, including what was owed to me from last year. Hopefully the LEDs I purchased will last and are not the quality as described by the last few posters in this thread. I could use the relaxation...

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    I agree. 08 was my first major LED purchase, and lots of us know how that went. I am glad my wife is supportive of the display. Even so there were several conversations about "this is what we get for that kind of $". Then the mixed relief of getting the lights replaced was good, but short lived after light up time in 09. The 'this is what we get in exchange for the 08 crap" conversation was not any better.

    I have removed everything from CDI from the 09 exchange. I still have a couple cases in storage that have not been taken out of the box. I may just throw them away, or I may sell them. As long as the buyer understands these "lights may not meet your expectations".:eek: Don't know for sure but they may work fine in a static display.

    I have yet again gotten all my lighting elements replaced with new lights (from Travis, I actually did get my lights) and am expecting/hoping for no or minimal lighting problems

    I'll take the non-expectation meeting lights off your hands.

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    I agree. 08 was my first major LED purchase........... I still have a couple cases in storage that have not been taken out of the box. I may just throw them away, or I may sell them..............

    At some point over the past year or two someone had posted a circuit board schematic for building rebuilding the regulator/blob/etc (if someone knows the post... could you send me the link...... I haven't been able to find it)

    So far, I haven't had any issue with Travis as far as not getting lights, etc - I don't order a lot, but, I order consistantly - as I slowly convert the display to LED lights. I did order some more lights today (we will see how that goes.....) for an issue where I ran into three sets of incandescants that I had that were completly gone. My last "major" item to convert to LED will be the mega tree which will need 384 sets of LEDs - but - I might have to break that into a two year replacement project (run it one year at 50% coverage since I am not independantly wealthy)

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    At some point over the past year or two someone had posted a circuit board schematic for building rebuilding the regulator/blob/etc (if someone knows the post... could you send me the link...... I haven't been able to find it)

    So far, I haven't had any issue with Travis as far as not getting lights, etc - I don't order a lot, but, I order consistantly - as I slowly convert the display to LED lights. I did order some more lights today (we will see how that goes.....) for an issue where I ran into three sets of incandescants that I had that were completly gone. My last "major" item to convert to LED will be the mega tree which will need 384 sets of LEDs - but - I might have to break that into a two year replacement project (run it one year at 50% coverage since I am not independantly wealthy)

    I remember the thread. I was following it til I got lost between the "this is how you do it" post and "that won't work" post.

    I actually have sent 2 of my strings to someone to check out and let me know what it will take to fix them. Not sure if I am actually interested in fixing all of mine. Depends on how easy it is. I really don't wont to end up having $15 invested in every string.

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    Anyone else seeing a large defect rate in any particular set of lights (at least the ones they actually got) from LED holiday lighting this year? I'm now at a 35% defect rate on the Blue 70ct M5s.... In all cases, the string is half out. (Not sure why the failures for mine have all been the blue ones and not any of the other colors.)

    I managed to finally get some of mine swapped out in October after much persistence of the ones I noticed during preseason testing.. but now I have another 4 strands that are up in the display that are now half out. Of course, now the LED voice mail is full and none of the email supports are getting answered, so who knows if any defective strings will get replaced (I'm down to one backup strand).

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    Anyone else seeing a large defect rate in any particular set of lights (at least the ones they actually got) from LED holiday lighting this year? I'm now at a 35% defect rate on the Blue 70ct M5s.... In all cases, the string is half out. (Not sure why the failures for mine have all been the blue ones and not any of the other colors.)

    I managed to finally get some of mine swapped out in October after much persistence of the ones I noticed during preseason testing.. but now I have another 4 strands that are up in the display that are now half out. Of course, now the LED voice mail is full and none of the email supports are getting answered, so who knows if any defective strings will get replaced (I'm down to one backup strand).

    I have had two green M5 100cnt go out. One is completely out and the other is half out and flickers intermittently. Ordered a couple more sets from Val at Christmas LED. Just an FYI though her M5 are smaller so you might want to order the M6.

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    Out of 17,000+ Red, blue, green C6 70 count and warm white 100 count M5's I have 0 loss. Are the failures all half strings or individual bulbs going out?

    ALL from LED HL?

    Wow! I'd say that is a true miracle compared to my experience over the last 3 years, no matter what vendor they came from.

    I got 96 total (24 each) strings of red, green, blue, and warm white 100ct M5's. I have had 0 failures from red, blue, and warm white. I have had 1/3 of a string or 1/2 of a string go our from 10 strings of green.

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    I got 96 total (24 each) strings of red, green, blue, and warm white 100ct M5's. I have had 0 failures from red, blue, and warm white. I have lost 1/3 or 1/2 of 10 strings of green.

    That is around 10.5 failure rate of total strings, which I think is not acceptable. BUT its a 28.6 failure rate out of just green. Either way its way above the 1% touted by some vendors/manufactures

    (I separated this from my post #239 because it is in no way a comment to Bill V's post.)

    In threads like this where people are telling about their LED failures there always seems to be a post saying "you cant expect LEDs to last forever, there is going to be some failure". Usually this post comes from what I have come to call a vendor 'admirer", or even from the vendor themselves.

    My failure rate experience for LED's (only 2010 were LEDs from LED HL):

    2010 10.5% (so far) or 28.6% for green (so far)

    2009 12.5% or 100% for blue. (Plus all the green were unusable by startup 2010) (these were from the exchange)

    2009 0% failure out of 96 strings. (These were a seperate order)

    2008 100% (lights were exchanged) My first year for what I consider a major LED purchase.

    btw. I consider myself an LOR 'admirer' : )

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    I lost nearly half of my C6 70 count blue from Led Holiday Lighting order in 2009, 12 out of the 26 ordered, but the replacements are still doing fine. This year I guess I am just lucking out, though the season is far from over. I think the vendors call a 5 percent failure rate acceptable. By the way, regardless of my opinion of any particular vendor, numbers are numbers....

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    I have noticed that my LED Retro C9's are changing a little bit. The Red, Yellow, and Orange seem dimmer this year, and Blue, Green, and Purple are brighter. These were 2009 lights.

    I'm gonna have to watch them next year. I might have to replace most of them in either 2011/2012.

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    I ordered C6 red, pure white and green. The failure rate for the colors are 6% (2/32) for Pure white, 25% (8/32) for green and red is 3% (1/32) so far, but green is failing at 1/2 a strand a night now so think I am going to be loosing some more :( Maybe I should email Travis and let him know, sure those replacements will be coming overnight..................................................................................

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    Sorry to see we are not the only one with failures wish the quality was better.

    We had 2-100 ct 2-70 ct blue loose 1/2 the string out of approx 60-70 strings

    The rest have been OK should be careful saying that we are running thru Jan 1.

    All of our failures are from this years pre order.

    Still frustrating but I like the LED's over incandescent

    Hope everyone had a great xmas

    Dennis

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