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I'm not new to Christmas displays but I will be a new buyer for the LOR product. I'd like to start with a 32 channel pro package with the option of adding on later. So I have a few questions that would help me figure out if I can do this properly. If this has already been asked and answered I apologize in advance and ask for the link to the info.

Thanks a lot everyone.

1. What is the power requirement for something like this? Does each controller use power or do they only draw power for the lights that are connected to them?

2. Currently I run a lot of store bought led lights, along with blow molds that run compact flourescent bulbs, will they work with the LOR?

3. Will I need a dedicated circut for a 32 channel system? If yes how many amp and at what point of expansion do I need a second circut?

4. I have seen several posts about controllers that lose a channel, stay stuck open etc. are there things I should "avoid/not do", to help avoid this kind of issue? Maybe something like keep the controlers in the garage rather than outside in the elements?

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I'm not new to Christmas displays but I will be a new buyer for the LOR product. I'd like to start with a 32 channel pro package with the option of adding on later. So I have a few questions that would help me figure out if I can do this properly. If this has already been asked and answered I apologize in advance and ask for the link to the info.

Thanks a lot everyone.

1. What is the power requirement for something like this? Does each controller use power or do they only draw power for the lights that are connected to them?

The controller will use very little power compared to the light.

2. Currently I run a lot of store bought led lights, along with blow molds that run compact flourescent bulbs, will they work with the LOR?

Some people have had trouble with fades and had to add a false load to correct this. I think that the G3 controllers include this in the circuitry. I do not think they will work with compact florescent bulbs.

3. Will I need a dedicated circut for a 32 channel system? If yes how many amp and at what point of expansion do I need a second circut?

That will depend on how many amps your lights use. The controller will handle 15 amps per side and 2 amps per channel max. You could need four dedicated circuits for 32 channel but it depends on your lights.

4. I have seen several posts about controllers that lose a channel, stay stuck open etc. are there things I should "avoid/not do", to help avoid this kind of issue? Maybe something like keep the controlers in the garage rather than outside in the elements?

I have not had any problems with my 16 channels in two years but i use very low power.

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I'm not new to Christmas displays but I will be a new buyer for the LOR product. I'd like to start with a 32 channel pro package with the option of adding on later. So I have a few questions that would help me figure out if I can do this properly. If this has already been asked and answered I apologize in advance and ask for the link to the info.

Thanks a lot everyone.

1. What is the power requirement for something like this? Does each controller use power or do they only draw power for the lights that are connected to them? The Controllers themselves draw very little power, so it would depend on the lights you have hooked up to the controller.

2. Currently I run a lot of store bought led lights, along with blow molds that run compact flourescent bulbs, will they work with the LOR?

The LEDs will work but you will have to test to see if they fade correctly. All of mine do and they come from various sources. Blow molds if they have normal lights yes. Flourescents I dont think so, in fact I a sure they will not work.

3. Will I need a dedicated circut for a 32 channel system? If yes how many amp and at what point of expansion do I need a second circut?

The Controllers themselves draw very little power, so it would depend on the lights you have hooked up to the controller. I have 4 or 5 controllers running off one 15 amp curcuit. And during testing all 13 controllers ran on two 15 AMP curcuits. Buy a tester to see how much power you are drawing and make sure you don't go over 80% (12 amps on a 15 amp curcuit).

4. I have seen several posts about controllers that lose a channel, stay stuck open etc. are there things I should "avoid/not do", to help avoid this kind of issue? Maybe something like keep the controlers in the garage rather than outside in the elements?

Mine are outside and I have had no problems related to the weather. One time I did have a motor from one of my deer connected to my controller and it caused the lights to behave strange! DO NOT HOOK UP MOTORS TO THE CONTROLLERS!!!

Welcome aboard!

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Some great advice above. I will point out that most controller problems (which are rare) seem to come with bad triacs which can easily be replaced for cheap and only modest skills at soldering are necessary. I'm sure LOR can fix them as well.

Also, if you order controllers with the high-power heat sinks you can pull up to 7 or 8 amps on a single channel, and the Pro controllers (aka 1602s or CTB 16) can handle a total of 20 amps on each side of 8 channels if you swap out the 15 amp fuse for a 20 amp and swap out 14 gauge supply cords for 12 gauge.

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Thanks everyone, you gave me exactly the info I needed. Currently I run the whole display off one 15 amp GFI breaker and have no problems. I guess I'll just upgrade my blow molds to Led lights for next year. I also have room for several more breakers in my panel so I might just add an extra breaker just to be safe.

I'm so glad I found this site!!!

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Thanks everyone, you gave me exactly the info I needed. Currently I run the whole display off one 15 amp GFI breaker and have no problems. I guess I'll just upgrade my blow molds to Led lights for next year. I also have room for several more breakers in my panel so I might just add an extra breaker just to be safe.

I'm so glad I found this site!!!

You might consider, if you going animated, adding those lines all at once. I don't know how big you are, but trust me, you will use every bit of power you can get your hands on. I have 13 dedicated 15amp breakers going to the display. According to the "light string" amp ratings, my max pull is 120 amps. I"m within my safety limit. I Just don't cook dinner or run the heater while the show is on lol :P But seriously, it is super simple to add 14 or 12/3 line and run 2 new lines at the same time. More bang for your buck there!

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My first year I added a couple of circuits to the garage. My second year I increased to 24 circuits- 8 20 amp and 16 15 amp. For the 15 amp addition, I added two mobile sub panels. The sub panels use 50 amp 220v range plugs to feed the circuit boxes.

1. If / when I move, the new owners will definitely worry about Frankenstein bodies roaming the property. "Who needs this much power in their garage?!?"

2. I'm embarrassed to admit that we converted all major appliances to gas. Now, they were over due for replacement, but we're gas for heat, hot water heater, oven and stove, and dryer. As led lights increases in use, the days of adding such craziness to run a display will end soon... It's like a right of passage is being removed as a requirement to run 100,000 lights...

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As led lights increases in use, the days of adding such craziness to run a display will end soon... It's like a right of passage is being removed as a requirement to run 100,000 lights...

LOL. Funny. That's a good point. I have 20 now too. Hard to imagine that I'd only need 2 or 3 with LEDs.

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Geez 20 dedicated circuits for the display, I'm running 11 and thought that was alot, plus adding 3 more this offseason... My display is a little different thou, I'm mostly incandecent at 45,000 lights. Plus 13 or 14 flood lights, 90 watts each, plus 20 motors for plywood cutouts. The electric bill a few years ago was over $1,000 for a little over 3 weeks.... I know in testing in the house I ran 32 channels with 4,000 lights, with the computer and tv running on the same 20 amp breaker and never had an issue lol. Was prob close to 20 amps.........

This was my first year with LOR and it took some getting used to, and my sequences sucked from my perspective. But everyone else loved them. Honestly the hardest time I had was figuring out the visualizer. Helps to ready the tutorial first lol.. Good luck and remember have fun with it

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