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I ran across a thread with this video in it;

He uses CCR's for the tree above the front door. If you DIY'ed it...what would you need? I think the CCR's are SMD5050's? I really know NOTHING about RGB strips nor RGB pixels. Have been reading and honestly might be a little rich for my blood. I like the fact this gentleman took 6 strips and was able to do what he did with it. I know that I would have to get the Superstar add on with LOR3 as well.

Give me a break down on power supply(s)...could you use one?

Controller for this?

The physical placement of things???

Thanks

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i beleive the CCR's come with it's own controller that is then controlled by LOR, i think the CCR's are a high breed of RGB LED strips, but i do believe each CCR strip has one controller that controls one strip - not positive - but i definitly know CCR's has it's own controller that can be controlled by LOR

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Right on the controller. DO NOT WANT TO GO WITH CCR'S THOUGH. I know it can be done way cheaper. Just don't know how.

Robert

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Yes Robert, I refuse to go with CCR's. The cost is way to high. Not only must you purchase the CCR, but also upgrade you software. One CCR is around $300, and you need to spend $200 on the S3 software just to do it. Want to do what he did with his tree using CCR's, it will cost around +$2,000. I'm interested in learning more about RGB, but this is not the year for me to do it. I'd rather spend the money on more controllers ($120 sale price) then the CCR's for now.

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I may in the same boat. The more I dive into this...the more expensive it looks. I have S3 Advanced (or what ever the unlimited channel thingy is) but didn't get the Superstar add on. Wish I had the money when I got the s3 upgrade. To do the 6 strings....$149.95! Oh well. Also may have a wedding to pay for this December...if we can't talk my daughter into putting it off till May...or better yet...holding off longer! We'll see ;-)

http://store.lightorama.com/suse.html

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ok i know there is a DMX controller that can control - 30cm 12V 5050 12-LED Color Waterproof Strip Light RGB granted these ones are not long but i have been picking them up for $2 dollars a strip they do everything CCR's can do, maybe more don't know yet so far i got a bunch of them and figure i can stick them onto some slim wood strappings or pvc piping havn't figured out application onto something yet but there are ways - i am told to get DMX to control them i do not know how i am too new at it and plus still no controllers of any kind so even if i do figure it out my 2012 setup is going to be easy well easy to me mostly LED and incan mini's and alot of these strips waiting for more fine tuned idea's

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Wonder if there is a way to do this without using the Superstar add on??? I am using s3 software right now.

Robert,

the SuperStar add-on is there to help you sequence. It helps with pre-built effects etc. You can absolutely program in S3 for RGB pixels/strips without the SuperStar add-on. Actually the superstar add-on is currently limited in it's support of non-CCR based (ie DMX) strips/pixels.

I've done all of my RGB work without superstar.. although I would like to play with it once it supports straight DMX. That said, I don't do any scrolling text or super choreography like superstar is intended to do for you.

dave

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Right on the controller. DO NOT WANT TO GO WITH CCR'S THOUGH. I know it can be done way cheaper. Just don't know how.

Robert

You can learn how to do this a lot cheaper by reading the posts over at www.auschristmaslighting.com

I originally started with LOR and I have 8 CCRs but that was a very expensive way to do RGB lighting. I now use other alternatives that allow me to get much more bang for my buck

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I know that R.J. over at DIY has done with with a Pixel Based 5050 flex strip very similar to the CCR.

Here is the video:

here is the wiki and look in the library: http://www.diylighta...t#Smart_Strings

Listen to the very end of the video...

About $100.00 per string if you use the 5050's flex. Still a little rich for my blood.

Everybody has brought some great points. Thanks!!! Have been on the before mentioned sites. Looked at David's RGB basics videos, etc. It is pretty overwhelming for a newbie to this. Guess this is something you can't just jump into for sure. Got a lot of reading to do.

Seeing though the one sided mega tree I first mentioned...looked like something I could really get into. May have to just start saving my pennies for it ;-) Just don't tell my wife!

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The main thing i do not like about the RJ pixel net is that it does not follow a standard like DMX and E1.31, This can limit you to what you can connect up and you are bound to only using the RJ controllers and RJ supported lights. Pixel net will still acheive RGB and pixel control but it may limit your choices later on if you want to use DMX or E1.31 controllers.

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The main thing i do not like about the RJ pixel net is that it does not follow a standard like DMX and E1.31, This can limit you to what you can connect up and you are bound to only using the RJ controllers and RJ supported lights. Pixel net will still acheive RGB and pixel control but it may limit your choices later on if you want to use DMX or E1.31 controllers.

Ohhhh. Ok. That makes sense. Again...learning ;-) Eddy is the 5050 rgb pixel strips...are they individually addressable? Been reading over on the LOR site and found some sites that have some of the waterproof 5050 strips pretty cheap on ebay.

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Ohhhh. Ok. That makes sense. Again...learning ;-) Eddy is the 5050 rgb pixel strips...are they individually addressable? Been reading over on the LOR site and found some sites that have some of the waterproof 5050 strips pretty cheap on ebay.

The 5050 is just the name of the LEDs used in a strip (5.0mm x 5.0mm dimensions) the strip can come in either pixel strip which has an IC to control each section and requires a pixel controller or the dumb 3 channel strip which can be controlled by any DC controller.

You may want to have a look at this presentation on RGB lighting over at ACL to help you understand the differences http://auschristmaslighting.com/forums/index.php/topic,1208.0.html

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Ohhhh. Ok. That makes sense. Again...learning ;-) Eddy is the 5050 rgb pixel strips...are they individually addressable? Been reading over on the LOR site and found some sites that have some of the waterproof 5050 strips pretty cheap on ebay.

Robert -

If you haven't already, I would highly recommend watching the RGB video series here:

http://www.holidaycoro.com/kb_results.asp?ID=15

It contains hours of RGB and pixel information and provides a good basis for getting started with RGB.

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ok i know there is a DMX controller that can control - 30cm 12V 5050 12-LED Color Waterproof Strip Light RGB granted these ones are not long but i have been picking them up for $2 dollars a strip they do everything CCR's can do, maybe more don't know yet so far i got a bunch of them and figure i can stick them onto some slim wood strappings or pvc piping havn't figured out application onto something yet but there are ways - i am told to get DMX to control them i do not know how i am too new at it and plus still no controllers of any kind so even if i do figure it out my 2012 setup is going to be easy well easy to me mostly LED and incan mini's and alot of these strips waiting for more fine tuned idea's

You may be in trouble! The description for these say they are common cathode, and from what I understand you must use common anode with LOR.

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Ok,

I have been reading, watching videos...and am almost on RGB overload ;-)

Because the way my display is, I have had to "miniaturize" some of the elements...which got me thinking.

If I did a version of the first one sided mega tree I first asked about and;

1) Made it 8ft lengths and mount the digital rgb strips to pvc pipes. - Most of the strips I have seen are in 16ft lengths. I know they can be cut, but not sure what LED or node(?) count I should be looking for?

2) Use either the TP3244, Sandevices stuff or...Doug, can the $14.00 per string jobbies be used?

3) Power injection - Use the little ones that Holidaycoro sells...or should I go a different direction with this setup?

4) Saw somewhere on the forums of someone designing a alternative thingy to the Superstar add on or LSP. Could that be used for this one element and then dropped back into LOR3? Yes...I would like to do scrolling text with this setup.

5) Since I am using LOR3 right now...it is not supporting E131 ...correct? So if I used LOR3, I would have to get the add on board being beta tested over at Sandevices? (If I end up using a Sandevice board)

Wanting to do this the cheapest way possible right now. I may go with just "lines" on this 8ft tree or as many as 12...but it would be one sided. Any suggested break downs of what would be needed to make this possible would be appreciated...and honestly others might could use this info too ;-) Just testing the waters right now...but boy this sure is tempting. :P

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Ok,

I have been reading, watching videos...and am almost on RGB overload ;-)

Because the way my display is, I have had to "miniaturize" some of the elements...which got me thinking.

If I did a version of the first one sided mega tree I first asked about and;

1) Made it 8ft lengths and mount the digital rgb strips to pvc pipes. - Most of the strips I have seen are in 16ft lengths. I know they can be cut, but not sure what LED or node(?) count I should be looking for?

2) Use either the TP3244, Sandevices stuff or...Doug, can the $14.00 per string jobbies be used?

3) Power injection - Use the little ones that Holidaycoro sells...or should I go a different direction with this setup?

4) Saw somewhere on the forums of someone designing a alternative thingy to the Superstar add on or LSP. Could that be used for this one element and then dropped back into LOR3? Yes...I would like to do scrolling text with this setup.

5) Since I am using LOR3 right now...it is not supporting E131 ...correct? So if I used LOR3, I would have to get the add on board being beta tested over at Sandevices? (If I end up using a Sandevice board)

Wanting to do this the cheapest way possible right now. I may go with just "lines" on this 8ft tree or as many as 12...but it would be one sided. Any suggested break downs of what would be needed to make this possible would be appreciated...and honestly others might could use this info too ;-) Just testing the waters right now...but boy this sure is tempting. :P

Hi Robert; The software that I have developed can create many complicated RGB effects, with little effort. I just started the software about 6 weeks ago. The next target I am going to be working on

his rays like you showed in the first video and grid or matrix displays. I currently have the megatree target supported.

I also am looking to see how few strings a person could use and still get some nice effects.

The tool is called Nutcracker: http://meighan.net/nutcracker.

Here are some of the animations it supports now

ZZ_ZZ+BUTTERFLY1.gif

ZZ_ZZ+METEOR4.gif

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Where are you at with this RGB quest now?

If you're concerned about DIY, there are many affordable package options out there from companies who have great products and customer service in the RGB realm.

Can I help?

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Hey Jeff and SMeighan.

I have been looking at your Nutcracer project with GREAT interest. Don't completely understand it... but does look like a alternative to Madrix or Superstar. Is it at the point of being used with S3 Lor yet?

As far as getting any further, I really haven't gone any further yet. I have a pretty limited budget this coming season. With my job (middle school band director) and my other hobby (ham radio...volunteer with the NWS in gathering storm reports...georgiaskywarn.com...lots of tornadoes here as of late in GA)...it has kept me busy. All that being said though, much has past and now is time to start planning!!!!!

Still a lot to take in. If I get into this, it will be small for this coming season. I can't help but think I am not the only one wanting to do this on a smaller scale on the DIY side of things ;-)

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Hey Jeff and SMeighan.

I have been looking at your Nutcracer project with GREAT interest. Don't completely understand it... but does look like a alternative to Madrix or Superstar. Is it at the point of being used with S3 Lor yet?

As far as getting any further, I really haven't gone any further yet. I have a pretty limited budget this coming season. With my job (middle school band director) and my other hobby (ham radio...volunteer with the NWS in gathering storm reports...georgiaskywarn.com...lots of tornadoes here as of late in GA)...it has kept me busy. All that being said though, much has past and now is time to start planning!!!!!

Still a lot to take in. If I get into this, it will be small for this coming season. I can't help but think I am not the only one wanting to do this on a smaller scale on the DIY side of things ;-)

Robert as of this week, Nutcracker produces files for

Vixen 2.1 and LOR S2. Those two sequencers came online just in the last two weeks.

I have said that I would have LSP 2, LOR S2, LOR S3, Vixen 2.1, 2.5 3.0 done by mid june. It is my plan to support S3.

creating effects are generic in Nutcracker. Any effect can be applied to all the sequencers I support.

thanks

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