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Bobby Menard

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hello everyone I don't know if anyone remembers me anymore it's been awhile since I've been here and it looks like most of the folks I remember don't post here anymore.  O well I hope whoever reads this can help me.  If you do remember me you might no that I use to do a big LOR show and then I had to move to a place that I could not do a display and had to sell everything for cheap. 

Well I am in my new house now and its all mine and I can do whatever I want so of course I will go bigger than ever and since I have to reby everything anyway I might as well get latest greatest and best right lol.  I really liked LOR products but I want to add about 10000 picels for the '13 show and someone told me that I can spend less if I get china picels and a sandy device.  Well I thought it was called a sandy device until some one told me it was really a San Devices lol.  So any way I need to know the best way to wrap all the front of my house and the bushes and maybe even a few arches with picels.  I have a lot of cash I can spend on this but a dollar is a dollar so the best price I can get is the better lol. 

So any way I was reading about this san device today and it looks pretty complicated.  Will it support 10,000 picels or do I need more than one of them?  and what picels do you think I should use? 

I will hae many more questons but any help u can point me is great.

Bobby

ps if an of you boght my old control ers when I was selling a couple year  back I hope they work wel for you I kind of miss them ha ha

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Hi Bobby:  I think it just depends if you want the hassle of putting it all together yourself and dealing with China Vendors, cuz there are a lot of USA vendors who have done the research and put everything together in a complete package ..........Well if you have a lot of cash to spend you know there's always LOR with  their Plug and Play GREAT stuff CCR's....CCP's etc. and the best warranty around........There's also another company called SEASONAL ENTERTAINMENT http://www.seasonalentertainmentllc.com/  basically their Plug and Play system and they are offering C9 Pixels that seem like a really interesting way to go IMO.....Guess it's Pic Your Poision (LOL)!!   But you definatly want to go to Aus Christmsas Web site as Mcas4380 suggested.  Hope this helps

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Welcome back Bobby. 

This was my first year using RGB Pixels and I highly recommend the products listed below, several people have used them with good results.  I don't know as much about others but I know this works.  Below is an IM I received from one of the guys at the forum Mcas mentioned above.

 

 

""Now the system i personally would look at for that tree is (assuming you already have the LOR version with E1.31)

ECG-P12R, will give you upto 12 universes of lighting, so you could use 8 outputs for your tree with 2 strings per output and then have options for adding other intelligent lighting later by having 4 spare outputs/universes. The cost of the ECG-P12R is $170, so when you compare the cost per channel to a built and tested E681/2 then the ECG-P12R is the most cost effective choice.
The reason the ECG-P2 is not my choice is because its more designed for a distributed load, where as the P12R is designed as a more centralized approach for use with things like pixel trees and matrices.
So i would download the ECG-P12R manualif you havent already done so and i would refer to the diagrams on connecting up the strings, you will be connecting 2 strings per output so you wont be fully loading up each output, but instead be using 300 channels from the 510 channels available per output.
If you wanted more efficient use of channels then you could go for the ECG-PIXAD8 which is 8 ouputs 8 universes for $$150, but for $20 more you allow yourself more future options.

Ok now the lights
This is something you will have to decide on if you want the square type or the tradition type of pixelfor your tree and how you decide you want to make your tree will determine what is the best fit.
I am using 2811 pixels due to their cheaper price a good dimming qualaties, i use 5vdc for pixel strings as that is a far more efficeint use of pixels, but you can make your mind up which way you want to go by looking at this thread
Now the warning the 2811 pixel type is currently not officially supported by the ECG products, but you can use the 1804 pixel code for testing, the 1804 will give some flickering to the lights, but good enough for testing. There is a planned update soon and updating any of the J1sys products is very easy and requires no additional hardware to update. So if you dont want to use the 2811 pixel type then the 2801 pixel type would be the next best choice as this is fully supported

So for 16 strings of 2811 the cost = $18 x 16 = $288  (Actually purchased 18 strands)
for 16 strings of 2801 the cost =  $20 x 16 = $320  (I spent $420.00 on lights and connectors)

Now the power supply

5VDC power supply, I use more expensive meanwell power supplies, but the Cheap ones from Ray Wu will do

Again the size of the power supply is determined by if you want some extra room for later. Personally i woul just get 2 x 350 watt 5VDC power supplies, the total load of your 16 strings will only be 0.3 watts per LED = 240 watts of total load. The reason why i say 2 x 350 watt Power supplies is because firstly you never want to load up your power supply more than 85% and secondly it is always a good idea to have a backup power supply as i have seen the cheap Chinese ones fail in the past.

Now for connecting all this up will depend on what you want to do and use, i use the weatherproof 3 pinand 2 pin plugs from Ray.

You will of course need materials to build the tree and a box to house the controller plus other sundaries, but in a nutshell that is what you would need to do your tree and running from LOR E1.31 and using nutcracker.

Hope that helps make the picture clearer for you.""


So, I used the 2811 Pixel type 5 Volt and the powersupply I used was a Meanwell instead of buying the cheaper one from Ray Wu, I read the Meanwell was a way better unit.  Let me know if these links do not work and maybe I can send it to you in an e-mail.  Hope this will help get you started!!!!

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Wow that is a lot of information but thank you.  I was reading in the intro to RGB group on face book and asked a few question there but havent got a lot of response yet. 

Can some one tell me if my LOR doggle (the serial port one) will work with the san device? 

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So, I used the 2811 Pixel type 5 Volt and the powersupply I used was a Meanwell instead of buying the cheaper one from Ray Wu, I read the Meanwell was a way better unit.  Let me know if these links do not work and maybe I can send it to you in an e-mail.  Hope this will help get you started!!!!

I'm not familiar with the meanwell power supply but if you used it and liked it I would like to look into it, could you please post a link as to where to get it or some more info on it

thanks

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Welcome back Bobby. 

This was my first year using RGB Pixels and I highly recommend the products listed below, several people have used them with good results.  I don't know as much about others but I know this works.  Below is an IM I received from one of the guys at the forum Mcas mentioned above.

 

 

""Now the system i personally would look at for that tree is (assuming you already have the LOR version with E1.31)

ECG-P12R, will give you upto 12 universes of lighting, so you could use 8 outputs for your tree with 2 strings per output and then have options for adding other intelligent lighting later by having 4 spare outputs/universes. The cost of the ECG-P12R is $170, so when you compare the cost per channel to a built and tested E681/2 then the ECG-P12R is the most cost effective choice.

The reason the ECG-P2 is not my choice is because its more designed for a distributed load, where as the P12R is designed as a more centralized approach for use with things like pixel trees and matrices.

So i would download the ECG-P12R manualif you havent already done so and i would refer to the diagrams on connecting up the strings, you will be connecting 2 strings per output so you wont be fully loading up each output, but instead be using 300 channels from the 510 channels available per output.

If you wanted more efficient use of channels then you could go for the ECG-PIXAD8 which is 8 ouputs 8 universes for $$150, but for $20 more you allow yourself more future options.

Ok now the lights

This is something you will have to decide on if you want the square type or the tradition type of pixelfor your tree and how you decide you want to make your tree will determine what is the best fit.

I am using 2811 pixels due to their cheaper price a good dimming qualaties, i use 5vdc for pixel strings as that is a far more efficeint use of pixels, but you can make your mind up which way you want to go by looking at this thread

Now the warning the 2811 pixel type is currently not officially supported by the ECG products, but you can use the 1804 pixel code for testing, the 1804 will give some flickering to the lights, but good enough for testing. There is a planned update soon and updating any of the J1sys products is very easy and requires no additional hardware to update. So if you dont want to use the 2811 pixel type then the 2801 pixel type would be the next best choice as this is fully supported

So for 16 strings of 2811 the cost = $18 x 16 = $288  (Actually purchased 18 strands)

for 16 strings of 2801 the cost =  $20 x 16 = $320  (I spent $420.00 on lights and connectors)

Now the power supply

5VDC power supply, I use more expensive meanwell power supplies, but the Cheap ones from Ray Wu will do

Again the size of the power supply is determined by if you want some extra room for later. Personally i woul just get 2 x 350 watt 5VDC power supplies, the total load of your 16 strings will only be 0.3 watts per LED = 240 watts of total load. The reason why i say 2 x 350 watt Power supplies is because firstly you never want to load up your power supply more than 85% and secondly it is always a good idea to have a backup power supply as i have seen the cheap Chinese ones fail in the past.

Now for connecting all this up will depend on what you want to do and use, i use the weatherproof 3 pinand 2 pin plugs from Ray.

You will of course need materials to build the tree and a box to house the controller plus other sundaries, but in a nutshell that is what you would need to do your tree and running from LOR E1.31 and using nutcracker.

Hope that helps make the picture clearer for you.""

So, I used the 2811 Pixel type 5 Volt and the powersupply I used was a Meanwell instead of buying the cheaper one from Ray Wu, I read the Meanwell was a way better unit.  Let me know if these links do not work and maybe I can send it to you in an e-mail.  Hope this will help get you started!!!!

This is great information but i have read a few update There is a ECG-p2 which will now handle 8 universes for around $80 built and with case so for the same money you could have 16 universes. also i believe the the latest update to the ECG controllers will no run 2811 IC data

 

Wow that is a lot of information but thank you.  I was reading in the intro to RGB group on face book and asked a few question there but havent got a lot of response yet. 

Can some one tell me if my LOR doggle (the serial port one) will work with the san device? 

I believe it will but you will need a some sort of crossover device. if you have the latest software you might want to read up on E1.31 this should simplify the set up. 

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The LOR dongle is not compatable with any E1.31 controller as E1.31 uses the LAN output of your computer instead of the USB.

 

The ECG-P2 is a cheap option but people must also be aware that if you run the P2 and have a few hundred pixels connected that all it takes is one dead pixel to take out a large section of your display, so the risks must be weighed up between using a ECG-P2 or a ECG-P12R or a E682 controller.

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The LOR dongle is not compatable with any E1.31 controller as E1.31 uses the LAN output of your computer instead of the USB.

 

The ECG-P2 is a cheap option but people must also be aware that if you run the P2 and have a few hundred pixels connected that all it takes is one dead pixel to take out a large section of your display, so the risks must be weighed up between using a ECG-P2 or a ECG-P12R or a E682 controller.

Thank you for this info I have been away for the past week or so due to family emergency but I am back now and ready to tackle my picel project as I say above I will be using at least 10000 picels this year so if one dead one killed the rest of the display that would be very bad thank you for pointing this out as I can then rule out this controller.

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