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Allen L.

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All,

 

Just found this and needed to share it.  Look at page 46, 47, and 52.  If you want to know what happened to the old Blow Mold Companies and who owns their molds today.

 

General Foam owns:  (Beco, Poloron, Empire, Dapol Co., & Santa's Best molds)   This should show everyone that we need to support General Foam, because if they go under all these historical molds could be lost forever. 

 

http://www.planetchristmas.com/Magazine/September2014/index.html#/46/

 

I personaly want to thank Mel & G. Fischer and all others who helped with the information in this article.  I've been looking for this kind of info.

 

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Thanks for posting that, I worked hard with Mel and some others to gather all that information when I wrote the article for the Magazine. We are still working on gathering more info to add to this article If anyone has anything they think we could add please PM me. Charlie E

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Thanks for posting that, I worked hard with Mel and some others to gather all that information when I wrote the article for the Magazine. We are still working on gathering more info to add to this article If anyone has anything they think we could add please PM me. Charlie E

 

Thanks Charlie E for all your help too.  You guys are great!  I have been trying to research on my own and writing down information in a notebook.  This article is priceless!!

 

I know that some of Empire's molds were lost to a flood back in the mid 1990's.  I'm trying to see which ones I can indentify that survived.  I assume that all the other molds, from Companies that sold out to General Foam, are still located somewhere at their plant.

 

Allen :)

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Allen do you know when the flood was, we might be able to go back and look in the library archives and fined something out, or fined a name of someone from Empire to do some research with.

 

I talked to a member at the Christmas Expo who lives by the General Foam plant and said he has been in the store rooms and seen the old molds. He also said they have some odd and end plastic blow molds characters from some of the companies still on the shelf. He also said he has been able to buy a few of those old Character off the shelf. He said he was going to try to provide me a list of what they have if he could get back in the store room to look at the molds, butt since I haven't heard anything from him by now I take it he was telling a story or he hasn't been able to get back in the store room.

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Allen do you know when the flood was, we might be able to go back and look in the library archives and fined something out, or fined a name of someone from Empire to do some research with.

 

I talked to a member at the Christmas Expo who lives by the General Foam plant and said he has been in the store rooms and seen the old molds. He also said they have some odd and end plastic blow molds characters from some of the companies still on the shelf. He also said he has been able to buy a few of those old Character off the shelf. He said he was going to try to provide me a list of what they have if he could get back in the store room to look at the molds, butt since I haven't heard anything from him by now I take it he was telling a story or he hasn't been able to get back in the store room.

 

Hey Charlie E,

 

I found an article that states Empire was not flooded.  The only damage was to finished goods in 1999.  I could not find any other information on a possible flood, that might have occured before this Hurricane.

 

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/containers/fix012/312840/000104291000000515/0001042910-00-000515-index.htm

 

Here is the wording from the article:

 

"In September 1999, Hurricane Floyd severely disrupted the Company's operations.

Although the Company's Tarboro, North Carolina, facility was not flooded, it was

shut down for 10 days because of severe flooding in the town of Tarboro. The

shut down occurred during the Company's peek production and shipping periods and

damaged some of the Company's finished goods inventory. When the Company's

facility reopened, management ran three shifts of production to minimize the

lost production. The Company made up a significant portion of the lost

production in the 3rd quarter and the balance in the 4th quarter of 1999. The

Company's losses are insured and the Company received a settlement of $1.2

million in September 1999 of which $0.45 million was for business interruption.

The remaining $0.75 million was a partial settlement for the Company's inventory

and building damages and will be used to cover the cost of replacing certain

inventory, repairing the building, or for working capital. The Company is

still negotiating with its insurance carriers for additional damages. Any

additional settlements that the Company may receive will not be material."

 

 

Allen :)

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They need to make the poloron carolers especially the African American one. They could make tons of money just on that one.

Hey jlknox,

 

I too wish they would rotate them every year.  It would be neat, if they would manufacture three old Poloron molds each year with their current Empire molds they currently have in the catalog.  Over a five year period many of us would be able to own these historical molds again.  It might drive down the cost on ebay also.  I would not hold my breath though. LOL!!

 

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Charlie, your article is great and I enjoyed reading it.  Of course while reading it, other things came to mind and I do need to remember and send them to you.

 

One minor thing, MAC Plastics definitely did make several of the TPI blow molds in  the early 1990's and they also made some of the SunHill ones.  MAC Plastics went bankrupt and one of the Grand Venture partners purchased the company and plant renaming it Falcon Plastics.  If I recall correctly, the partners last name was Falconi.  I have the information here somewhere, I just need to find it.  Several of the TPI/SunHill molds were purchased at the same time, as the molds apparently belonged to MAC Plastics and they were included in the sale.  Falcon produced some of them for their sister company Grand Venture.  Both MAC Plastics/Falcon Plastics and Grand Venture were located in the same building.  I guess one could say that Grand Venture never made any blow molds, they were the sales division of the company and their sister company Falcon Plastics did the actual making of the blow molds.  I had the good fortune of receiving at least one copy of every Grand Venture catalogs from Falcon Plastics.

 

For a little confirmation TPI/MAC Plastics connection, check the address on the box in the picture.  Then check the Grand Venture address on the catalog page.

 

Mel

 

 

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Hey Charlie E,

 

I found an article that states Empire was not flooded.  The only damage was to finished goods in 1999.  I could not find any other information on a possible flood, that might have occured before this Hurricane.

 

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/containers/fix012/312840/000104291000000515/0001042910-00-000515-index.htm

 

Here is the wording from the article:

 

"In September 1999, Hurricane Floyd severely disrupted the Company's operations.

Although the Company's Tarboro, North Carolina, facility was not flooded, it was

shut down for 10 days because of severe flooding in the town of Tarboro. The

shut down occurred during the Company's peek production and shipping periods and

damaged some of the Company's finished goods inventory. When the Company's

facility reopened, management ran three shifts of production to minimize the

lost production. The Company made up a significant portion of the lost

production in the 3rd quarter and the balance in the 4th quarter of 1999. The

Company's losses are insured and the Company received a settlement of $1.2

million in September 1999 of which $0.45 million was for business interruption.

The remaining $0.75 million was a partial settlement for the Company's inventory

and building damages and will be used to cover the cost of replacing certain

inventory, repairing the building, or for working capital. The Company is

still negotiating with its insurance carriers for additional damages. Any

additional settlements that the Company may receive will not be material."

 

 

Allen :)

 

Allen, after reading through part of the article, it appears that was Empires annual report for 1999, if I am correct about that, then it would not mention anything about the flood which I think might have been in 1994 or 1995.

 

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They need to make the poloron carolers especially the African American one. They could make tons of money just on that one.

 

They have been asked about that and they said they have no plans to remake those.   Also, apparently they do not have the Poloron heads for the carolers, only the bodies.  When Empire made the carolers they had different heads, something must have happened to the original heads between the time Holiday Innovations made the carolers and Empire acquired the molds.

 

Mel

 

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If anyone has anything they think we could add please PM me. Charlie E

 

There are a couple of things I noticed that I believe I can offer an update on.  (I'm just going to post it here because I think everyone will be interested.)

 

1.  The article states that NU-Dell never made any of the TPI characters.  Depending on how "character" is defined that may be incorrect.  NU-Dell made the TPI 21" pumpkins in 2008.  They were sold at Menard's.

 

2.  I believe that Prime Plastics has gone out of business and is therefore no longer offering any of the Grand Venture items.  I say this because the Christmas Creations website that was selling the Grand Venture items had a notation that they were no longer being made.  The Prime Plastics website has been removed.

 

One minor thing, MAC Plastics definitely did make several of the TPI blow molds in  the early 1990's and they also made some of the SunHill ones.  MAC Plastics went bankrupt and one of the Grand Venture partners purchased the company and plant renaming it Falcon Plastics.  If I recall correctly, the partners last name was Falconi.  I have the information here somewhere, I just need to find it.  Several of the TPI/SunHill molds were purchased at the same time, as the molds apparently belonged to MAC Plastics and they were included in the sale.  Falcon produced some of them for their sister company Grand Venture.

 

That makes sense because the Grand Venture pumpkin stack looks just like the Sun Hill pumpkin stack.

 

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Allen, after reading through part of the article, it appears that was Empires annual report for 1999, if I am correct about that, then it would not mention anything about the flood which I think might have been in 1994 or 1995.

 

Mel

 

Thanks, Mel

 

Empire's factory must have been in a very flood prone area.  This now makes me wonder just how many molds have been lost over the years.  Seeing that Empire flooded a lot, you would think that they would have located their molds in a drier area or sealed them in water proof containers.

 

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"They have been asked about that and they said they have no plans to remake those.   Also, apparently they do not have the Poloron heads for the carolers, only the bodies.  When Empire made the carolers they had different heads, something must have happened to the original heads between the time Holiday Innovations made the carolers and Empire acquired the molds."

 

Mel

 

Thanks Mel :)

 

This is why I wish we could get a list from General Foam.  All we can do at this point is assume.  Without your knowledge we would be lost.  I wish someone who works and has access to where the molds are kept at General Foam was a PC fan.  Imagine all the information we could get.  I know, I know, keep on dreaming. LOL!  Empire could have changed the heads on the Poloron Choir bodies because the heads looked out of date/too vintage looking.  They might have been wanting a more modern look to the Choir people and designed new heads, just like the new heads they added to the Smaller 30" Choir Boy and Girl in 1996.  Again, I'm just assuming. :)

 

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I LOVE THIS THREAD I LIVE FOR THIS INFO THANKS SO MUCH MEL AND CHARLIE AND WHOEVER ELSE CONTRIBUTED....

 

We need to thank Allen also, he has been doing a lot of research and sharing what information he finds with us.  Even small bits of information can be valuable for putting together the history of the holiday blow molds and their manufacturers.  As my signature says "It's what you learn after you know it all that counts!"  :)

 

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The Christmas Lights Creations guy posted these photos on his Facebook page about a year ago. It's a bit intriguing because they don't look like CGI... leads the mind to wonder if General Foam has these type of pictures for every mold they have in their vault? Hmmm..

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While looking at and studying the pictures a bit they look like they originally came from my computer not GenFoam.  They look like they were probably downloaded from blow-molded.com and the bottom of the girls gown was touched up to cover up the white in the B-M picture, it you look at the area you can easily tell it has been touched up in somewhat of a sloppy way.  They used a different shade of red to cover up the area with the white.  I am positive the boy picture came from there, the pictures on blow-molded are of a pair of our choir boys and girls.  They also appear to have altered the background colors to try to hide the fact that they came from blow-molded.

 

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The Christmas Lights Creations guy posted these photos on his Facebook page about a year ago. It's a bit intriguing because they don't look like CGI... leads the mind to wonder if General Foam has these type of pictures for every mold they have in their vault? Hmmm..

 

Tyler, I don't know if General Foam has pictures of every mold they have in their vault, but I do know for sure that they have a book with every one listed.  They just won't divulge that information.

 

Mel

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Thanks Mel, but I feel like a smaller part of this compared to you and Charlie. :blush:  I'm trying hard to learn about these Blow Molds.  You should see the books I created.  And yes I said "Books". LOL!!!  Any information and pictures I find on the internet goes into these books.  You might say they're an ongoing project.  I wish I was retired, so I could spend more time on them.  Oh well, one day maybe.

 

Allen :)

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Don't fee bad about keeping books of information, that's what I am doing. I have one book for each manufacturer and now I am going to start one on manufacturers that were tied together. It's nice to have all the info on computer but I like it better having it in books broke down by date, manufacturer and now by manufactures that were tied to each other. When you start printing out the advertising catalogs by year and putting the pages in plastic slip covers it take a lot of binders. It's really nice for me to be able to go up and spend the day with Mel and *** and discuss the characters. We also get together once a year with lots of other collectors at my annual holiday decoration swap meet. It really helps having members like you Allen and the other members on the site that want to share and preserve the information for the future.

Charlie

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Empire's factory must have been in a very flood prone area.  This now makes me wonder just how many molds have been lost over the years.  Seeing that Empire flooded a lot, you would think that they would have located their molds in a drier area or sealed them in water proof containers.

 

Or at least raise them off the ground.  I'm sure they have forklifts and stuff in their warehouse.

 

TED

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The Christmas Lights Creations guy posted these photos on his Facebook page about a year ago. It's a bit intriguing because they don't look like CGI... leads the mind to wonder if General Foam has these type of pictures for every mold they have in their vault? Hmmm..

If you look at the catalog picture and these pictures, the girl had bows in her hair and yet in the pictures on this the bows are gone in her hair. I hate when empire changed stuff like that. Like the cat coming out of the pumpkin. I like the one they had in the catalog better than the one they actually produced.

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