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Hi all; I thought i posted a thread here on the new tool i am building, i guess not. I am developing a tool to create math models as the source and project it onto target RGB models. These could be mega-trees, matrix panels, and other RGB displays. The tool is web based and will export data for LOR, Vixen and LSP (when i am done). You can see the tool here http://meighan.net/seqbuilder/index.php What makes this tool work is that i find out where every pixel you have exists in x,y,z space. In order to do that , i need to give you the ability to model your trees. I have a new release of code that will build the target models http://meighan.net/seqbuilder/main_login.php Please give any feedback on if this looks like it will cover your megatree. I have imported 1800 names from DLA and 1000 names from LOR and seeded the database. I dont have email or passwords, just the login names seen in the member list. If you do not find your login you can send me a PM OR you can use 'guest' password 'welcome1' to just play with the from. All accounts currently have the password "welcome1". So here is what i plan. This page has a mysql db backend. I expect you to be able to describe your tree with the prompts i currently have. After you save the form , your tree will be saved under your name. Some caveats. 1) The actual target models wont show up for you yet. 2) You cannot edit the model after you save it. Edit capability will come next week 3) I will export the models each day so that i can reload them as i am changing the database DDL. In other words, you wont lose what you enter. I really dont think it will be that big of a deal since i think you can describe your tree in less than 60 seconds using this form. I will be adding the ability to have other topographies. One that i saw on Madrix is what they call the snake. This means you could go up and down 5 times , for example. I will add that later, I think i cover what most of you do. I have prototyped scrolling text on the source cone, so that will be coming out after i get the xml files out. I needed this model to continue my tests. If someone is able to put their tree in matching your actual tree, please let me know. Ill use those in my testing cases. thanks sean